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<span>How Accurate can you Guide a Web?</span>
September 2, 2025

In this webinar episode on web guiding fundamentals, we delve into the accuracy of web guides, discussing various factors that affect their performance. We explore how steady state and transient errors can influence guiding accuracy and highlight the importance of machine quality, material properties, and proper installation. Additionally, we cover the design requirements necessary for achieving optimal web guide performance, emphasizing the need to understand conditions like web speed, thickness, and tension.

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[Music] So the final question here is that you have a web guide and we talked about all these different things. What is the accuracy or how accurately can you guide a web? It actually depends. Like I mentioned, there are lots of different parameters that are going to affect the accuracy of the web guide.

If we are just dealing with a steady state error, we can expect plus or minus 0.25 mm. If you have a good machine in a perfect material, this is what you can expect. Higher accuracies are possible. Like in printed electronics, you can get much higher accuracy.

But if we're dealing with steady state errors, you have a good edge and all those kind of things, this is possible. But the problem is that most web guides are going to come into transient errors. These are either disturbances or material properties that are going to affect the disturbance in the web guide. Now, if you're trying to correct a transient error, it really depends upon what is the magnitude of the error, what is the frequency of the error and so on.

And another important thing that we need to consider is that these transient errors can actually propagate downstream of the sensor and these are called what are called as wave generation. Even though you correct it at the sensor, you don't really know the angle at which the web is approaching and that can cause weaves downstream. You won't have good guiding performance if you have wrinkles. I mean, if the web is wrinkling, that is going to cause the edge to move back and forth.

There's no way you can have good guiding performance with that. Or edge curl, flutter, or sometimes plane change can also have that effect. If you have large magnitude error and your stroke of the actuator is limited or the correction that the webgate can provide is limited then you can expect good grading performance whenever the actuator tops out on either side of its stroke. If you use a lower bandwidth actuator and you have a higher frequency error, you can expect good guiding performances and sensor.

If you don't have a good sensor or if it has gain changes then you can expect a good guiding performance and then improper installation can actually amplify the error. So that's another thing that we can expect. Anyway, so just to summarize the factors affecting we talked about a machine related, process related, material related and the web guide related which is like the stroke deadband actuator backlash correction stroke limit and things like that. So in terms of design requirements uh a good knowledge of the the the conditions like web speed location thickness stiffness environment tension side correction all of these are important for us to have a welldesigned web guide.

If you have a good understanding of all of these, we will do well. [Music]


<span>Understanding Actuators in Web Guiding Systems | Web Guiding Fundamentals</span>
September 2, 2025

Explore the essential aspects of actuators in web guiding systems in this episode of our webinar series on Web Guiding Fundamentals. Discover the various types of actuators, including pneumatic, hydraulic, and electromechanical, along with key terminologies such as thrust, correction speed, and backlash. Learn about the significance of actuator sizing, web speed, and the impact of gravitational effects. Ideal for anyone looking to deepen their knowledge on steering guides and actuator functionality in modern web handling systems.

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[Music] So in terms of actuators, there are lots of terminology that is involved. Some of them are thrust or power, how fast the accelerator is, what is the correction speed, what is the acceleration, stroke length, mounting, what type of coupling we have and things like that. Actuators are pretty standard right now. It's not as important as installation of a web guide or the sensor, but it is an important part of a web guiding system.

The older actuators were either pneumatic or hydraulic. You had an hydraulic pump pumping a double acting cylinder and moving the web guide structure. These were more common in the 50s and up to about maybe '90s before the electronic electromechanical actuators started coming into the market. You could have pneumatic actuators or hydraulic actuators.

The hydraulic actuators have the advantage that it can provide high thrust and can shift large loads quickly. Even now in metals industry, hydraulic actuators are pretty common. You can see them. But the problems are that it's a problem with maintenance.

You need to balance the valves and stuff like that. Change the filters. They could cause leak and this could contaminate your product. And then the precision and accuracy that you can get with an electronic actuator or electric actuator is not something that you can expect in an hydraulic actuator.

So most web guides nowadays are going to use actuators like what these actuators usually have a motor that drives a belt pulley system. There's usually a lead screw, a ball screw or a roller screw that converts the rotary motion into linear motion at the end of the actuator. Some common terminologies that you would see with actuators are maximum current, voltage, power. Whenever we have something with a lead screw or a pitch, that's a common term.

What is the lead of the actuator? Pitch of the actuator. Gearing ratio. Backlash is another thing that you would commonly see with electric actuators, especially with low-end lead screw actuators.

Resolution. What is the smallest movement an actuator can produce? Back drive is a common terminology especially if you're installing a web guide that has to work against gravity. And then types of actuators you have inline and reverse parallel.

Some actuators have limit switches or end stops. And then type of motor used in the actuator. You would commonly see servo stepper brushed or brushless DC motor. So actuators are providing the driving force to the guide structure so that it can position the web.

In terms of thrust, the thrust is the amount of force exerted by the actuator to move the guide structure. And this thrust really depends upon as we saw before mass of the structure that we are trying to move, what is the friction there, how fast you want to move and sometimes gravity as well if you're acting against gravity. In terms of sizing actuators, these are some of the things you need to know to size an actuator properly. a web blind speed mainly because if you have a slow moving web the maximum disturbance frequency you can get depends upon the speed of transport of the web.

If you're moving at 100 ft per minute you might not need a high dynamic response while if you're moving at high speed you might need a much higher dynamic response. The dynamic response is related to the acceleration. Acceleration is related to the thrust. So that's why line speed becomes important.

Guide structure weight and roll weight. If you're trying to move a big mass, we need to know that what type of bearing you're using. So that what is the breakaway force that we need to overcome based on the coefficient of friction of the bearing and then what kind of disturbances we are trying to correct for. There is a correlation between the amount of disturbance that can propagate through a roll-to-roll machine that really depends upon the speed of the web.

The faster you go, higher frequency disturbances can go through. So the web acts as like a low pass filter and then the acceleration and then if you have to look at any gravitational effects. These are some of the key factors that are involved in properly sizing an actuator. But like I said, actuators are pretty straightforward nowadays.

Just need to have some basic questions answered and then we'll be good to go. [Music]


<span>Replacements for Unwind Guides and Rewind Guides</span>
August 22, 2018

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